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I just responded to your earlier post, when I noticed that it is not your most current post. I wanted to add one thing to my earlier response, though. It is another 'hunch' - and that is that novels emerge in the course of the making of civil society and seem to function best, or, rather, seem to function as the most critically valuable verbal artifact in those kinds of societies - in democratic culture - and in doing so they elbow aside poetry. Poetry, on the other hand, seems much more cherished in cultures that do not put that much emphasis on the novel. There are societies in transition, like Russia (which has been in transition forever) where both forms have equal prestige - but I would bet that if Russia ever really democratized, the poem would lose its popular aura.

Thanks, Roger. That's a very Tocquevillean thought, in spirit (though now that I check, I see that Tocqueville wrote that democrats would eventually figure out to write poems about their favorite topic, their ideal conception of themselves). I always thought that the poem in the West lost its popularity to the pop song --- that after 1954 or so, if you were a young person who felt within him- or herself a lyric inclination, you'd learn to play the guitar --- writing thus giving way to a superior recording technology, and attention to the merely verbal part of the song becoming to some extent sacrificed in the process. In the form of the pop song, after all, the poem is alive and well.

As for your comment to the other post: That's intriguing, though I'm afraid I don't know enough about English penal history to respond. Prison boats don't sound terribly pleasant.

Caleb, I wasn't very clear about poetry - it isn't that I mean that "nobody" does poetry, but that poetry as the sort of center of the literary universe - which was true even up to the time Lord Byron wrote Child Harold - was displaced by the novel in England and France, and in Germany in the 1920s. Or at least I could make a good argument for that, I think. But in, say, Bulgaria, or Turkey, or Egypt, or Iran, I don't think the novel has that same centrality. I think that is what novelists and critics are always lamenting about, nowadays - the symbolic pre-eminence once given the novel no longer exists, or at least is in eclipse.
Since I am a reader of novels and a writer of fiction, that doesn't make me happy. I want to opt for the eclipse rather than some permanent shift. On the other hand, the novel can get along fine without being symbolically central. I think you are right that the damage is really to the culture at large, or at least a culture that is premised on balancing the greed of the marketplace, the absorbing slavery of the money nexus, with freedom, dignity and justice. I think the real symptom of a sort of narrative breakdown in the U.S. culture has been the odd way in which the Iraq war is discussed. I noticed early on that there seemed to be a lack of understanding of the narrative "then" - that is, the rule in storymaking and real life that one thing happens, and "then" another thing happens. The amount of wishful thinking, of willful blindness to the 'then' side of things amazed me. I think the interrupted 'then' might stem from, well, I'm not sure - F/X and slow motion in movies? Computer games?
It is a puzzle.

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